Monster rig (rig problem)
Monster rig (rig problem)
I'm currently designing a dream rig. Two Windsor heads and a couple of rack effects (TC G-major, BBE Maximizer and some other), a Boss SD-1 (used as a boost) and a Morley Dragon wah.
The problem is how I should hook it up. The Boss and the wah before the amp ofcourse but should I connect the effects between the two amps? One main and one slave.
Send out from main amp to the effects and then split the signal to amp return on both heads, or?
I've heard that the loop comes after the mastervolume. Is there a way to solve this problem?
The problem is how I should hook it up. The Boss and the wah before the amp ofcourse but should I connect the effects between the two amps? One main and one slave.
Send out from main amp to the effects and then split the signal to amp return on both heads, or?
I've heard that the loop comes after the mastervolume. Is there a way to solve this problem?
Last edited by hellride on Sun Jun 10, 2012 3:02 am, edited 1 time in total.
Re: Rig problem
Gonna have four straight Windsor cabs if anyone's interested.
Think I'll be heard with that rig. Pretty sure it's gonna be LOUD!!!
Think I'll be heard with that rig. Pretty sure it's gonna be LOUD!!!
Re: Rig problem
Dewd, you're running a rack stereo effects processor and you're asking us what to do with two full stacks???
The answer is obvious, STEREO!!!
Alright, so you want your wah and SD-1 up front on one of the amp's inputs. You're using the amp's gain I assume, so you want at least one of the amp's effects loop send/preamp out going straight into the G-Major's input. Then run both left and right stereo outs of the G-Major into the effects loop return/power amp in on the Windsors. 200 tube watts of stereo effects face melting, THE END.
See my siggy for an decent example of the setup. Hope this helps! *thumbsup*
The answer is obvious, STEREO!!!
Alright, so you want your wah and SD-1 up front on one of the amp's inputs. You're using the amp's gain I assume, so you want at least one of the amp's effects loop send/preamp out going straight into the G-Major's input. Then run both left and right stereo outs of the G-Major into the effects loop return/power amp in on the Windsors. 200 tube watts of stereo effects face melting, THE END.
See my siggy for an decent example of the setup. Hope this helps! *thumbsup*
Re: Rig problem
Yeah, I know!! It's gonna be great!!! Can't wait...M-III wrote:200 tube watts of stereo effects face melting, THE END.
Re: Rig problem
Some people say that the loop comes after the mastervolume. And as I understand it, that means that the poweramp is located before the loop. True? Won't that be an volume issue if I want to use the preamp of the main amp - effects - slave return/main return -cabs?
Or am I totally of the track here?
Or am I totally of the track here?
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Is it just the control of the power amp (mastervolume) thats located before the loop and the signal goes into the poweramp from the return?
If so, can I mod it so it ends up after the loop? Seems more practical to me
If so, can I mod it so it ends up after the loop? Seems more practical to me
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Dewd, aside from getting the schematics of the amp's circuitry to find out exactly what the signal path is for each amp component, IMHO it's not that big a issue as long as you can reasonably control the overall volume over the amp and your effects. Test it and see... If you're happy with the end result of the sound you're getting, you're good to go, otherwise, either find another amp, mod it yourself or get it professionally modded to your liking.
Common sense (and after seeing a number of Peavey's amp circuitry layouts)tells me however, that the loop is most likely before the master volume,(the effects loop is usually part of the preamp) which controls the power amp's volume itself. Hope this helps, good luck!
Common sense (and after seeing a number of Peavey's amp circuitry layouts)tells me however, that the loop is most likely before the master volume,(the effects loop is usually part of the preamp) which controls the power amp's volume itself. Hope this helps, good luck!
Re: Monster rig
Yesterday I picked up the first piece in the rig.
A Peavey Windsor 4x12 300w straight cab!
Tomorrow I'll go get the first of the amps.
Found an ART Sgx for approx 30€. Maybe I'll go for that instead of the TC and save some money.
Now I do know that the TC is one helluva good processor but honestly, it's a little to expensive for me.
I tried a Sgx back in the early nineties and as I recall, it was pretty good.
What do you guys think? I won't be using the distortion in it since I'll have a SD1 to boost the Windsor.
I intend to use it only for effects (delay, reverb, chorus etc).
A Peavey Windsor 4x12 300w straight cab!
Tomorrow I'll go get the first of the amps.
Found an ART Sgx for approx 30€. Maybe I'll go for that instead of the TC and save some money.
Now I do know that the TC is one helluva good processor but honestly, it's a little to expensive for me.
I tried a Sgx back in the early nineties and as I recall, it was pretty good.
What do you guys think? I won't be using the distortion in it since I'll have a SD1 to boost the Windsor.
I intend to use it only for effects (delay, reverb, chorus etc).
Re: Monster rig (rig problem)
When plugging DIRECTLY into the fx loop (nothing in the front end) the master does nothing. You must control volume from whatever's in the loop.
Re: Monster rig (rig problem)
I got me a MXR Zakk Wylde od instead of a sd-1. That's going at the front of the amp aswell as a wah pedal of some kind.
Re: Monster rig (rig problem)
So if I go directly to amp return on the slave the master of that one won't work?Fxrs wrote:When plugging DIRECTLY into the fx loop (nothing in the front end) the master does nothing. You must control volume from whatever's in the loop.
Re: Monster rig (rig problem)
Yep, you'll be bypassing the preamp section altogether. Whatever you're "slaving" the amp to will control it's overall volume as you're going straight into the power amp section of the amp.
Re: Monster rig (rig problem)
Isn't the power amp controlled by the mastervolume?
Kinda strange if the master is in the preamp section, isn't it?
Kinda strange if the master is in the preamp section, isn't it?
Re: Monster rig (rig problem)
You would think, however it all depends on the amp, it's schematics (board) layout and whether it has just an effects loop and/or a preamp out/poweramp in.hellride wrote:Isn't the power amp controlled by the mastervolume?
Kinda strange if the master is in the preamp section, isn't it?
The master volume could be one of the last pots/circuits before the signal is sent to power amp stage.(as with the case on my Triple XXX head it seems thanks to reviewing the schematic)
Now, if the effects loop has adjustable send/return volumes, you can adjust it's overall volume with it.(again, like my Triple XXX head)
Hope this helps!
Re: Monster rig (rig problem)
Buy an aby pedal and play the two amps in stereo. Put the sd-1 before the box and your effects through the loop. Done.